situation, in my mind, and still is. >> william binney, when you quit over a decade ago, which ever think it would get to this point or were we at this point a decade ago as well? >> actually, it started about then. certainly, 2003 was important because all of the devices that are putting and other equipment that would allow them to take whatever is on the optical fiber network inside the u.s., they deployed those and started collecting all the material so that became content, in. emails, voice-over ip, all of that material was coming in and be stored. then before that, starting right after 9/11, they started pulling in all of the call records. by the way, some of the numbers everyone is talking about are too low. the call records i estimate it would been on the order of 3 billion a day.